let's release the boundless energy we have out there in places like anwar and off shore, and then we could see gas prices seriously drop. >> julian, what do you think that releasing these reserves will do to gas prices? >> i think that everybody agrees the answer is ultimately energy independence and note under the obama, production at the highest level in 20 years, as for, i don't know what somebody's laughing about. if you want to-- >> i'm laughing because it came on private land, but not public land, okay. >> but we can have that debate it's not really that meaningful to the point you're making. >> let's get on. >> i think the issue is here, that the strategic petroleum reserve is for when we have very unusual circumstances, when bush did it in '91 during the iraq invasion, when clinton did it in 2000, it happened, for a specific situation in 2004. when george w. bush did in 2005, because of katrina. when obama did it, a year ago, it was because of libya. and in each case, price the went down significantly. i don't think the obama administration will do it now because it will look